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Hindustani saptak

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Hindustani saptak

Postby devadana » Sat May 03, 2008 9:40 pm

The question could seem stupid but for a western men like me is really difficult to understand the concept of Hindustani saptak.
The notes in Hindustani music are a continuum instead in western music all notes of a scale are separated and are played separately.

So for me is difficult to perform on bansuri the notes: how ornamentation should be used: mend? Kan? Gamak?
And which note could I have to involve first?

So if I have seven notes in natural consecutions:

SA RE GA MA PA DA NI

I should play as:

SA re RE ga GA ma MA pa PA ni NI da DA ?

And if I have a raga as for example Yaman?

Arohi:
NI RE GA ma DA NI SA

Which is the intermediate note between NI and RE, that link this two notes: SA or re?

Avarohi:
SA NI DA PA ma GA RE SA

So if in the raga two note are consecutive, the linked note will be a komal between the two note. But if the gap are of two note? Or three note? Which will be the linked note? Should it be only one or two or more?

I notice in the cdrom Bansuri Guri that Hariprasad Chaurasia in arohi involve first the upper komal note and do a mend or gamak with the note of the raga, instead in avarohi do the contrary, a mend or gamak first with the note of the raga and than with komal note below.

Thanks,

Devadana
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Re: Hindustani saptak

Postby talasiga » Fri May 16, 2008 3:57 pm

devadana wrote:The question could seem stupid but for a western men like me is really difficult to understand the concept of Hindustani saptak.
The notes in Hindustani music are a continuum instead in western music all notes of a scale are separated and are played separately.

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The notes are played separately in Hindustani music also.
Just because we have the option of meend in the music does not mean the notes cannot be discrete.
Meend is what in Western music is called portamento. So, just because portamento is there in Western music does it mean we must dispense with the idea of discrete notes in a Western scale?

It is a universal fact that any octave of sound is a continuum. We divide that continuum into identifiable intervals for purposes of particular scales or steps as points of reference to serve our articulation of music. The fact that we may slide through (or dip into the continuum) between any two or more of those steps, does not mean the steps don't exist.
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Postby Jeff Whittier » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:53 pm

"So for me is difficult to perform on bansuri the notes: how ornamentation should be used: mend? Kan? Gamak?
And which note could I have to involve first?"

You're not going to learn this stuff online. Get some real lessons with a real bansuri teacher. There's a limit to what can be done in a forum like this, and everything good about Indian Classical Music is way beyond that limit.
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Postby talasiga » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:35 am

Jeff, the person you have just answered in your preceding post has not posted in these forums for over eighteen (18 ) months.

Hopefully he is getting his answers from a real bansuri teacher in much shorter real time effluxion.
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